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Mattia Gilardi
Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:03:57 PM
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Hi John and thank for your M8 review.

For the first time I've read a review from a user that often shot picture like mine and in a camera looks at features important to me.

I'm thinking of buying a M8, and your comment about dynamic range "similar to 1DsII" it's a pleasure to read.

How do you deal with focus and recompose? I've noticed that you often shoot at wide apertures with a subject off centre (as I do).

Do you have plans to purchase a wide angle lens? Maybe the 25mm ZM?

Thanks again,
Mattia
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PebblePlace
Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:59:16 PM
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Hi Mattia -

You'll want to read the last page - just went up tonight. I plan on selling the M8 kit. After comparing the 10 MP M8 file to the 21 MP 1Ds3 file (both using a Zeiss 50mm F2 lens), I was surprised to see so much detail with the 1Ds3. I've been somewhat unimpressed with the 1Ds3, so I expected the M8 to put up a better fight. In those files the differences in dynamic range probably isn't that noticeable. In more extreme pictures, such as the steam engine on the 3rd page, I was surprised to much back despite shooting into the sun. The sensor definitely has a good dynamic range potential - I wish the output file was a 16-bit DNG. I think experienced Photoshop'ers could make good use of the added bits.

Focus and recompose is risky. At F2 on the 50mm ZM there were plenty of missed shots. At F4 the results improved so long as the re-compose wasn't too drastic. If focusing & recomposing, I tried to keep re-compose part as minimal as possible. If shifting all the way to the edge of frame, you better have lots of DOF.

I was thinking of adding the M8 kit to the 1Ds3 as quick, lightweight grab & go option. At this point I'd rather just buy a 5D Mark II with the same money and re-use the lenses I already have for the 1Ds3. Unfortunately the Zeiss ZE announcement was made AFTER buying the M8. Had I known Zeiss ZE's were real, and not just a rumor - I probably would have passed on the M8 all together. There are raw files available on the 4th page. Download those and have a look.
PebblePlace
Posted: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:59:01 AM
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BTW - the Leica M8 Rangefinder review is located here: http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Leica_M8.html The write up is 5 pages long with numerous photographs and some info at the end about 3rd products such as the HK Supplies 1.25x magnifier.

There is also a photo gallery with 1200x800 to 1200 x960 images. The slideshow is best viewed on a 24 or 30" monitor - you will need to click "slide show" to see the large versions. Here's the gallery: http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Photographs/Pages/Leica_M8.html

All the images in review were taken with the Zeiss 50mm F2 ZM lens - obviously in the M mount. It's a great lens - sharper than the current Leica 50mm F2 Summicron M in my opinion. Here's the M8 sporting the Summicron (this image was taken the Canon 1Ds Mark III and Zeiss 100mm F2 Makro-Planar ZF) -







PebblePlace
Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:08:39 AM
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UPDATE - 50mm Summicron Review Added

Added a quick review of the Leica 50mm F2 Summicron M this past weekend. It's a short review and I'll probably add more in a month or two after some more use with the lens (we have a couple outings planned for October, so the frame count will go up). Here's a link to the review: http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Leica_50mm_Summicron.html



Mattia Gilardi
Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:58:25 AM
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Hi John,
sorry if I answer only now, but lately I wasn't at home...

After having seen your comparison and read your comment about focus, well... I don't think the M8 is my cup of tee.
I would have bought it for is size (especially lenses size) but I really prefer a SLR (I shortly had a rangefinder before), if the M8 files are of a lesser quality too...

Plus, as you say, the Zeiss ZE lenses are a nice bonus to Canon (even if the Diglloyd Zeiss ZF review left me a bit cold... some characteristics of them seem to indicate a "quality to a price point strategy" and that price point is lower than Contax or Leica R).

Maybe this new Kodak with a shorter than normal IF filter will permit Leica to give us a FF M8... this will change the situation Smile

And in this Leica M thread, here my little contribution, with my only M thing remaining.

Your Summicron 50's Granpa: a rare black-painted circa 1959 Summi 50mm.
It's incredible how smooth is the focus ring, how precise the aperture ring and aperture iris itself are after almost 50 years...

PebblePlace
Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:02:14 AM
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Well, here's the kicker... The M8 isn't fully waking up when powered up. It wakes up once the shutter button is 1/2 pressed. It's an earlier M8 and the problem sounds like the sudden death syndrome (SDS) but it's not quite as bad. The camera works fine, but it cast a major doubt on the camera's dependability, so I didn't take it on the trip New England trip. Now the M8 has to go to NJ for service... During our trip many shots required relatively accurate framing and some of those were with off-axis focus, so the M8 would not have worked well at all. Most likely I'll sell the M8 after it's fixed. I'm very frustrated with it at the moment.

The pictures from the New England trip are being uploaded to the site (http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Photographs/Pages/Boston.html). I had planned to use the M8 for some street shooting in Boston, but that turned out to be more architectural type images. I didn't plan it that way, that's just how it worked out. The M8 would not have done well in that role because the framing isn't very accurate.

BTW - Nice looking lens with the patina.

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